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I feel like it's way too optimistic to think "If everyone’s a superpersuader, no one is.". I know that there are many people in my life who just do not have, like, the ability to understand what it means that models are so good to create realistic video or text, and also at any speed.

And remember that LLM's primarily generate text which is the mode of communication that we've assumed comes directly from a human for a while. It was already 'hard' enough to try to find if someone's post was from a karma farmer, credibility-less clueless but confident person, or copypaster (and trying to find evidence of those requiring cross referencing their other text), damaging credibility of many sites, but those can be detected easier than LLM's now.

I think it's more of a narrative of normalcy people have that makes it seem like "quite a lot of weird effort no one will do" that is why for example there has been no "big deepfake controversy" moment yet. Not because people are clued-in. Recently a streamer I watch a lot just played a full AI-generated quiz on stream, constantly be like "the writing was so good" and no one seemed to notice or care besides only 1 other person in chat who plays with frontier AI.

I would not even say these capabilities are 'secret' but that societal awareness is terrible (not helped by hate-spamming "shameful never use AI even for the most obvious work-saving rote work, it's just autocomplete" mobs to be fair).

There's many points in the article I find reasonable but I just feel like something is deeply missing in the whole, like I find the 'group of aware people' vs. 'group of unaware-to-AI people' very stark. Even thinking in terms of groups of people a bit much:

"But he too assumes that there’s approximately one AI that is “everywhere” and free to infiltrate your circles of trust unopposed over some substantial period. More realistically, competing AIs would compete to infiltrate, and would be incentivized to call each other out. "

What does the world look like here? I mean I'd already think that 'secret' AIs, controlled by humans for some motive by the way, will be designed to be subtle enough that they just screw with consensus without even knowing with tons of different accounts. Those are notoriously hard to detect because it involves tracking some 'randos' online. Yes it isn't an only-AI problem but the rapid speed increase will be.

And if they are NOT secret to the point we have 'competing' AI's competing over manipulating the same community, you could probably say goodbye to humans talking in it, because that means social platforms will all become a live Moltbook. I mean I guess I see AI stuff obviously all over my Substack feed while my own handwritten posts get 1-2 likes. I bet 'calling out' in this context will just mean more engagement bait. You've probably seen reddit posts where a mass upvoted post that's AI will get top comments calling it out as AI, but somehow the post remains mass upvoted.

I have heard it suggested elsewhere, to deal with this already-existing-before-AI-but-got-much-worse problem of not knowing who is real and who is just trying to gain power, to have some "proof of work" of truly good content or at least some reputation to uphold even if you're not online to primarily write, just to show not being an LLM. I don't know if this is very viable optics-wise because it filters out real people who are legitimately worse than LLM's at everything or just aren't very ambitious enough to care.

I guess overall I'd say we aren't really fine, we've also had lots of other erosion in trust in many areas and I truly think a lot of people are more like "I guess this is just the new normal, who can do anything about it, oh I just ignore it, I am pacified and domesticated to not care", blank-stare equivalent.

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